Jan
12
Review and comments asked
Please review this and tell me what you think.
Is it worth the effort? Has it got any use? Is there already some project like this? Enhancements?...
Thanks, Ikke
Comments:
Comment from: Peter [Member] 
Whoow, very nice! I sure think it's worth thinking about it and giving it a try.
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01/12/05 @ 18:56
Comment from: Joe Geldart [Visitor] · http://www.netalleynetworks.com/community/jgeldart/
There is another side to integration though -- information freedom. I'm currently working on an unified RDF storage layer for Gnome that aims to address this issue. My eventual hope is to get this layer integrated with Beagle (so I don't need another daemon, can index the RDF literals in the index, and so I can scrape RDF from the filesystem). Not much there yet, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts with regards this and 'DAL'.
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01/13/05 @ 06:34
Comment from: Ikke [Member] · http://www.eikke.com
[email sent to Joe]
Hi,
Thanks for commenting. I just read your project page, and got some
thoughts.
As far as I understand, Frege is based around files, not applications,
like DAL would. So I think it's got a much better use inside Beagle
(report more information on Beagle search results), or could be very
helpful with Gnome Storage (something upcoming but IMHO very promising,
check http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/ ).
As related to DAL, I don't think it is very similar. DAL mostly passes
through "events". Not "information". There's a big difference between "a
file has been started playing", or "this is some information about that
file".
Naturally, a lot of applications taking use of DAL will be able to take
advantage of Frege: if DAL tells them "a new track has been started,
this is the path to the playing file", they can use Frege to get
information about this file, without being forced to know how to access
metadata of this file (mp3 ID3, ogg metadata,...). As long as that's
what Frede would do? (Just a small part of course). Getting artist
information from the web could also be possible in some unified way etc
etc etc. At least, that's what I understand about what Frege would do.
Maybe Frege could also provide IM buddy information etc?
Apart from this: I'd like DAL to become a freedesktop.org project,
because the functionality it provides can be used by all possible
desktop environments, not only Gnome OR KDE OR whatever.
Frege seems to be Gnome-specific (which isn't a bad thing of course, we
all know Gnome kicks ass). It wouldn't be written using Mono/Nemerle
either (I don't even "talk" that language), but just plain C, so it is
easy to bind to any imaginable IPC protocol/method/... (they almost all
got some C binding, isn't it?)
Although I still don't know 100% what Frege would be doing (hey, I
hardly know what RDF is ;-)), the image I got now is promising and most
certainly has got it's use, mostly in combination with other
file-centric technologies like Beagle, GnomeStorage, Dashboard (which is
Beagle-based),...
Keep it going, and good luck with your dissertation!!!
Hi,
Thanks for commenting. I just read your project page, and got some
thoughts.
As far as I understand, Frege is based around files, not applications,
like DAL would. So I think it's got a much better use inside Beagle
(report more information on Beagle search results), or could be very
helpful with Gnome Storage (something upcoming but IMHO very promising,
check http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/ ).
As related to DAL, I don't think it is very similar. DAL mostly passes
through "events". Not "information". There's a big difference between "a
file has been started playing", or "this is some information about that
file".
Naturally, a lot of applications taking use of DAL will be able to take
advantage of Frege: if DAL tells them "a new track has been started,
this is the path to the playing file", they can use Frege to get
information about this file, without being forced to know how to access
metadata of this file (mp3 ID3, ogg metadata,...). As long as that's
what Frede would do? (Just a small part of course). Getting artist
information from the web could also be possible in some unified way etc
etc etc. At least, that's what I understand about what Frege would do.
Maybe Frege could also provide IM buddy information etc?
Apart from this: I'd like DAL to become a freedesktop.org project,
because the functionality it provides can be used by all possible
desktop environments, not only Gnome OR KDE OR whatever.
Frege seems to be Gnome-specific (which isn't a bad thing of course, we
all know Gnome kicks ass). It wouldn't be written using Mono/Nemerle
either (I don't even "talk" that language), but just plain C, so it is
easy to bind to any imaginable IPC protocol/method/... (they almost all
got some C binding, isn't it?)
Although I still don't know 100% what Frege would be doing (hey, I
hardly know what RDF is ;-)), the image I got now is promising and most
certainly has got it's use, mostly in combination with other
file-centric technologies like Beagle, GnomeStorage, Dashboard (which is
Beagle-based),...
Keep it going, and good luck with your dissertation!!!
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01/13/05 @ 10:14
Comment from: Ikke [Member] · http://www.eikke.com
Galago can make use of DAL in several ways: screensaver started/stopped -> user is not/is at his desk.
IM buddy logged in: jay, I know the other one is available.
IM buddy changed state: I know he's away/idle/... (without being bound to Gaim or any other specific IM client, just using one single DAL interface).
I did not read all available information on Galago, these are some samples.
IM buddy logged in: jay, I know the other one is available.
IM buddy changed state: I know he's away/idle/... (without being bound to Gaim or any other specific IM client, just using one single DAL interface).
I did not read all available information on Galago, these are some samples.
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